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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Tue 18 Aug 2009 12:57 pm 
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Max wrote:
The A&P in New Providence, NJ has been expanded considerably since it was a Centennial. In fact, the only way one can even tell that it was ever a Centennial would be to look at an aerial view of the store and see the "original" section of the building (along with the expansion).


My grandparents used to live near this store. I remember it being under the Sav-a-Center name in the '90s. Can't recall what the interior looked like.


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Tue 08 Sep 2009 7:18 pm 
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RoleModel wrote:
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In holbrook ny, there is an OLD ap that operates under its waldbuams banner now. This store maybe only had minor renovation work done to it. The floor is OLD and the shelfs are even older. The cases in some of the aisles look old , probably AP days as well. It's deli is up in the front of the store, which is odd. The cases out front are old and have some rust on them. Also, the sign on the shopping center is shaped just like the old AP sign that was once there.


From the last time I was in there a year or so ago, I think the only renovation they did was the facade. It looks horrible inside.

edit: My brother says that the deli was also up front right next to Customer Service in the Southampton Waldbaum's, also a former A&P. He hasn't been there in about five years though, so that store may have changed in the meantime (though I really doubt it - this is A&P we're talking about).


oh, it still is, and smells bad in that store too. Some of their older li locations that are now waldbuams are in bad shape.


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Wed 28 Oct 2009 6:59 pm 
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Max wrote:
Out of the list of locations posted above, I believe only four of them (unfortunately) still remain "100% pure" centennials: the locations in Morristown, NJ; Pluckemin, NJ; Goldens Bridge, NY; and Katowah, NY. All of the others have been altered in some way.

Some of the alterations have been minor: The Superfresh in Newark, DE simply has a long strip (of the store's sign) blocking the front of the building. The stores in Towson, MD and Stamford, CT merely had their red bricks painted white.

However, some of the alterations have been more significant: stores in Artubus, MD and Thornwood, NY now feature ugly green roofs. (The Thornwood, NY store also had its bricks painted white.) And both the A&P in New Providence, NJ and the Superfresh in Washington, DC have been considerably expanded since they first operated as pure centennial stores. (In fact, the only way I even knew the New Providence, NJ store was originally a centennial was by going to maps.live.com and looking at an aerial view of part of its roof. The front of the building certainly does not look like a centennial.)

The superfresh in Gladwyne, PA, and wynnewood, PA also had some alterations done to the original "Centennial-colonial" front of their respective stores.


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Fri 30 Oct 2009 3:33 am 
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Picture of Katonah, NY centennial:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40515495@N08/4057888720/

Picture of Goldens Bridge, NY centennial:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40515495@N08/4057149963/

These are two of the few remaining "Pure" centennial stores unfortunately!

the store in Thornwood, NY wasn't a centennial store--it was actually a converted Pathmark (from what I was told when I worked there!) that was made into a Save-A-Center in the 80's and then remodeled and expanded in '98-99 when they turned it from a dumpy looking store into a beauty!


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov 2010 1:26 am 
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Here are perhaps the oldest buildings left in the A&P chain, including Pathmark and more recent closures:

1. Super Fresh, Wynnewood, PA (former Centennial A&P)

2. Super Fresh, Willow Grove, PA (just closed, former Centennial A&P)

3. Super Fresh, Gladwyne, PA (former Centennial A&P)

4. Super Fresh, Newark, DE (former Centennial A&P)

5. Super Fresh, Towson, MD (just closed, former Centennial A&P)

6. Super Fresh, Arbutus, MD (former Centennial A&P)

7. Super Fresh, Washington DC (former Centennial A&P?)

8. Super Fresh, Marlton, NJ (former 1975 A&P)

9. A&P, Pluckemin, NJ (small Centennial)

10. A&P, Titusville, NJ? (just closed?, identical to Pluckemin store?)

11. A&P, French Quarter (701 Royal St.), New Orleans, LA (landmark corner store from 1920s, sold to Rouses last year)

12. A&P, Catskill, NY (just closed? I saw a half-empty building with Advance Auto Parts in the other half. The streetlights in the parking lot gave it away as a former A&P. Across the street I saw a pylon sign for a JCPenney Catalog Center but the store was gone!)

13. A&P, Margaretville, NY (closed in 2007, opened 1968, now Foodtown?)

14. A&P, New Providence, NJ (was just replaced by an A&P Fresh in a former 1968 Acme building. The original A&P opened circa 1951, was made a small Centennial circa 1959, and was expanded circa 1976.)

15. Super Fresh, Etters, PA (closed last year, former Futurestore, not one of the oldest stores in the company, but the last for miles.)

16. Pathmark, Broomall, PA (closed last month, opened as ShopRite circa 1964, converted to Pathmark 1968, was remodeled 1977 and 1993.)

17. Pathmark, Bristol, PA (closed last month, opened 1972? This closing was odd considering a Super Fresh nearby just like the Etters one closed a few years ago.)

18. Super Fresh, Wilmington, DE (former Centennial A&P, but enlarged)

19. Super Fresh, New Castle, DE (former 1976 A&P?)

20. Super Fresh, Center City, Philadelphia, PA (former 1968 A&P. Coexists with a small newer Super Fresh a few blocks away?)

21. A&P, Morristown, NJ (tiny Centennial)

22. A&P, Maplewood, NJ (closed last month, opened 1942, heavily remodeled since, was next to a Pathmark)

23. Pathmark, Randolph, NJ (closed last year. Opened circa 1964 as ShopRite? I imagine the current Brookhaven, PA store might have opened at the same time.)


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov 2010 11:05 am 
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Hi, I think you can ad these A@Ps in Bergen County to the list Midland Park, Fort Lee, Closter, Westwood,Midland Park, Allendale, and many others that escape my memory. All of these stores started out as Centenials but with remodeling you would be hard pressed to see it.


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov 2010 11:34 am 
The Southampton, NY Waldbaums (former A&P) now apparently had the Fresh Market remodel, but still is very much a Centennial.

http://www.27east.com/food/detail.cfm/S ... upermarket


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov 2010 5:15 pm 
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What about Califon, NJ?


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov 2010 9:30 pm 
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Ephrata1966 wrote:
Here are perhaps the oldest buildings left in the A&P chain, including Pathmark and more recent closures:
12. A&P, Catskill, NY (just closed? I saw a half-empty building with Advance Auto Parts in the other half. The streetlights in the parking lot gave it away as a former A&P. Across the street I saw a pylon sign for a JCPenney Catalog Center but the store was gone!)


This is the store on 9W where 385 comes up out of the village proper (I assume).

I don't know when it closed as an A&P (as a matter of fact, I didn't even realize it WAS an A&P) but most of the stores in this part of NY were gone in the early 1980's, so I'd guess around then.

The earliest thing I remember was a Great American there for a time (I'm thinking that was in the A&P building after A&P left, but it could have been in the building next door as well). This would make sense as at the time the only other grocery in town was ShopRite (which was across 9W, along with a Jamesway, later Ames where the WalMart plaza is now, but in a now demolished strip which ran parallel to 9W and not quite as far back as the current stores) and also there is still a Great American in Cairo (only about 8-10 mi away via Route 23).

Most recently the empty half of the A&P had been used as the showroom part of a car dealership with the auto parts store next door (convenient if they needed something to fix a car, I guess!).

The building next door (which just recently opened as Beer World) was previously an Eckerd (and Fays before that) until the Rite Aid merger (since Rite Aid already has a store the next light down 9W) and Eckerd had the JC Penney Catalog showroom when Eckerd was owned by Penneys. They may have moved the catalog part to what was a Hallmark across 9W for a short time after Rite Aid took over, if that's where the sign was.


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov 2010 10:53 pm 
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Do you doubt it was an A&P?

Perhaps it closed at the same time as the Philadelphia division in 1982? Would you know when A&P left Painted Post/Corning?

The JCPenney Catalog Center was in the small plaza across the street next to Dunkin Donuts and Subway. Was that the Eckerd/Fay's?


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Tue 30 Nov 2010 12:51 am 
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Ephrata1966 wrote:
Do you doubt it was an A&P?

No - just that I guess we didn't go to that area as much as others, so I just don't remember it. I only vaguely remember the Great American being there, and since that was likely a later use the A&P was probably gone before I had a chance to see it.

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Perhaps it closed at the same time as the Philadelphia division in 1982? Would you know when A&P left Painted Post/Corning?

No idea about that - being more on the other side of the Hudson (Albany to Hudson area) I'd say most of the stores on that side were closed by the mid 1980's, so it could have been a mass departure from the area (I seem to remember reading that they did that in quite a few areas at some point due to company wide problems).
(There were a few scattered ones that held on longer, usually in areas lacking many if any other shopping options - like the rather remote Margartville one you mentioned, several in the Adirondacks near Saranac/Tupper Lake (till right around 2000), one in Red Hook - Dutchess County (til at least the late 80's, maybe after) and one in Wynantskill (till 1997) - though this was only 5 min from other supermarkets in Troy, it wasn't until Hannaford opened across the street that it closed).

Ephrata1966 wrote:
The JCPenney Catalog Center was in the small plaza across the street next to Dunkin Donuts and Subway. Was that the Eckerd/Fay's?


No, the Eckerd/Fays was on the same side (and directly to the left of, looking from 9W) the A&P building (it's now Beer World, though that opened recently). The plaza across the street had the Hallmark store (KD, which also has a store in Hudson) - I think they took over the Penney's Catalog at both locations after Eckerd was sold out to Rite Aid (the Hudson KD store also had an Eckerd across Route 9).


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 Post subject: Re: Oldest Operating A&P
PostPosted: Tue 30 Nov 2010 4:48 pm 
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A&P Red Hook, NY closed in the 1994.


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